View Poll Results: Do you have robot tables in your robot design sessions

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Thread: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

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    Default Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    My new region is not going to have robot tables for the kids to demo their missions in the Robot Design judging. I've never seen that and I've been to multiple events in 3 other regions.

    Just curious... how common is that? Please take this poll to let me know.

    Feel free to mark all that apply if you have been to events with and without.
    Last edited by cschaffer; 02-16-2017 at 10:13 AM.

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    Default Re: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    We've been to some regional qualifiers that did not have tables in the technical judging rooms. At these events the team members brought sheets with images of the field. This allowed them to point out mission models and robot paths during their presentation.

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    Default Re: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    Quote Originally Posted by dnb View Post
    We've been to some regional qualifiers that did not have tables in the technical judging rooms. At these events the team members brought sheets with images of the field. This allowed them to point out mission models and robot paths during their presentation.
    Thanks for that idea.

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    In CE we actually have tables for almost every robot-design judging... Out of the 20+ events I visited in the last years, there was only one that didn't have tables for the robot-design. But often they also do the design judging at the robot-game tables. The schedules here allow that since all judging sessions are in the morning and the robot-games in the afternoon (but our tournaments are almost never bigger than 25 teams).

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    Default Re: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    It seems like an odd idea to just do a paper review of a LEGO robot, without seeing it in action. Apparently they feel running the robot isn't a good use of time with the judge panel. Does that region mitigate the loss of a robot demonstration by some other part of the tournament activity (roving judges, observers in the robot contest area, etc)?
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    Default Re: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    If there are no robot game tables in the Robot Design judging rooms, how can the judges evaluate these "Rubrics":

    1) "Mechanization -- Ability of robot mechanisms to move or act with appropriate speed, strength and accuracy for intended tasks (propulsion and execution)", and

    2) "Automation/Navigation -- Ability of the robot to move or act as intended using mechanical and/or sensor feedback (with minimal reliance on driver intervention and/or program timing)"?

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    Default Re: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Mosher View Post
    It seems like an odd idea to just do a paper review of a LEGO robot, without seeing it in action. Apparently they feel running the robot isn't a good use of time with the judge panel. Does that region mitigate the loss of a robot demonstration by some other part of the tournament activity (roving judges, observers in the robot contest area, etc)?
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by dluders View Post
    If there are no robot game tables in the Robot Design judging rooms, how can the judges evaluate these "Rubrics":

    1) "Mechanization -- Ability of robot mechanisms to move or act with appropriate speed, strength and accuracy for intended tasks (propulsion and execution)", and

    2) "Automation/Navigation -- Ability of the robot to move or act as intended using mechanical and/or sensor feedback (with minimal reliance on driver intervention and/or program timing)"?
    Methinks you guys are confusing "robot performance" with "robot design". It is possible to evaluate the latter without table runs, though the presence of a table is helpful. It is also possible to have a well-designed robot that performs poorly.

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    Default Re: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    In FRC, teams often do something generally called "pit scouting". They go around to teams and ask about their Robot's capabilities.

    Some teams forgo this exercise because of conflicting information received. For example, "We can make 8 cycles delivering game pieces." But when the team is scouted on-field, their average is 3.6 cycles per match.

    Not saying that any FLL teams would make stuff up, but sometimes seeing is believing.

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    Default Re: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    Quote Originally Posted by dluders View Post
    If there are no robot game tables in the Robot Design judging rooms, how can the judges evaluate these "Rubrics":

    1) "Mechanization -- Ability of robot mechanisms to move or act with appropriate speed, strength and accuracy for intended tasks (propulsion and execution)", and

    2) "Automation/Navigation -- Ability of the robot to move or act as intended using mechanical and/or sensor feedback (with minimal reliance on driver intervention and/or program timing)"?
    I'm also surprised that at some tournaments, judges evaluate a team's programming without actually looking at the programs. I don't understand how teams can be evaluated on these categories without seeing real code:

    1) Programming Quality -Programs are appropriate for the intended purpose and would achieve consistent results, assuming no mechanical faults
    2) Programming Efficiency - Programs are modular, streamlined, and understandable

    As a judge, I've had teams tell me that a particular mission used multiple sensors, but when I look at the actual code, there are either no sensor blocks in the program or the sensor blocks are not used correctly.

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    Default Re: Robot tables in the design judging at your events

    Quote Originally Posted by timdavid View Post
    I'm also surprised that at some tournaments, judges evaluate a team's programming without actually looking at the programs.
    I was a robot design judge for a team that did not bring their robot. They showed a tablet with a picture of some robot (one of those Internet starter bots), and said "Our robot kind of looks like this."

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